Also, slightly off topic, but I really hate r/australia. From that, we have some details about things like what they looked like, what weapons and armor they used in battle, and what their warships were like. 10 Fascinating Theories Regarding The Ancient Sea Peoples. Anyway, the voice of "reason" pitches in: It seems grossly unfair and unnecessarily hyperbolic to compare Queensland to Soviet Russia or Hitler's Germany. Net als bij haar riviercruiseschepen richt Viking Ocean Cruises zich op het luxe segment in … Continue reading → The Baltic Sea, the North Sea and the North Atlantic were the Vikings’ super-highway. The conservatives are - I personally think - being unreasonable, but that's not what irritates me. Okay so as per the rules, this is bad history because: a) Even if the sea peoples were ancestors of the Vikings (i.e. Also not especially helpful. d) Citing unspecified "Swedish studies" is hardly convincing, Finally, some bonus unrelated badhistory in the same thread here. But the Sea Peoples did exist, and yes their name sounds kind of stupid but that doesn't actually diminish the part where they literally destroyed civilization. (Good find OP, it isn't every day you see something as bizarre as this!). there is an absence of any alternative hypothesis. Endemic warfare between the Iron Age tribes living along the shores of the Baltic Sea would have been one of the factors which shaped the practices of the Vikings and their contemporary societies. These tactics satisfied the Viking people, but like so many that came before them, they would increasingly want more. According to San Jose State University, Egypt eventually allowed the Sea Peoples to settle in what is now Israel and Palestine, so although we don't know where they came from, we do know where at least some of them ended up. Between 1276 and 1178 BC, a confederation of pirates known collectively as the Sea Peoples terrorized the coastal cities and civilizations of the eastern Mediterranean. To me, a much fairer and understanding comparison would be to the very early days of Mussolini, Franco or Pol Pot. haha, no, that would be silly. Worse, some people don't think they really existed, and even worse, we think their name is kind of stupid. It’s true that Vikings were tough warriors who conquered many territories, but […] They attacked Egypt from the north, they harassed the Hittites and the Phoenicians (who lived in what is now Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon) and they made life really difficult in Crete and Cyprus. The carvings appear to be a pictorial record of a Sea Peoples defeat — in one section, there's a naval battle, in another, a land battle, and in a third, the Sea Peoples have been captured. Menu. And it didn't have zombies or anything. Daarmee is het de tweede in een serie van drie cruiseschepen die Fincantieri bouwde voor de cruisemaatschappij. You might know it better as Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Because scientists were able to do a genetic analysis of pig bones from sites in Israel and the Aegean, and from that they learned the pigs were world travelers. Ships became an important part of their culture, often taking on religious and symbolic purposes. (Page of tag Sea Peoples) It was aliens. Because in the grand scheme of important archaeological discoveries, well, what could be more important than learning all about what kind of poop this mysterious band of marauders was stepping in all the time. You can only tell so much about history from a picture someone chiseled into a wall. Yes, according to Haaretz, in 2017 researchers announced that at least some of the Sea Peoples traveled with their swine. For nearly a century in the second millennium B.C., a mysterious band of maritime warriors known as the “Sea Peoples” wreaked havoc on the Mediterranean. SEE The People. The Gurob model has wheels, which makes it easy to mistake for a toy. The Sea Peoples are a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200–900 BCE). Oh well, mysteries are more fun anyway. Too bad it was on the Vikings themselves. We can also discern that they were likely not a single group of people. But historians think the wheels might reflect the design of a "land-based cultic ship," or a cart that was designed to look like a Sea Peoples vessel. There are a lot of theories about who the Sea Peoples were — some historians think they were Etruscan or Italian, some think Philistine, and others think they may have been Minoan. Or maybe the Sea Peoples didn't actually disappear at all — the Ancient History Encyclopedia suggests that they might not have gone back to where they came from — perhaps the survivors of the conflict remained in Egypt and were assimilated into the culture over time, eventually losing their identities and genetic distinction. A. Sutherland - AncientPages.com - Famous as the Lords of the Ocean, the Vikings had their homeland in the Nordic regions of Europe known today as Scandinavia. Because everyone knows where Canada is and it would be ridiculous for journalists to try to explain it every time they mentioned the Canadian invaders. Sea People Captives from Medinet Habu . This is its own unique brand of "you have no evidence to the contrary, so my lack of evidence trumps yours and must be considered correct" insanity. The name was given to them by a 19th-century Egyptologist who noted that most ancient sources rather generically referred to naval marauders who were "from the sea," without actually being specific about which sea or what lands they'd specifically come from. As previously noted, the Vikings were capable of reaching far distances, over both land and sea, as they were some of the, if not the most skilled seafaring folk of the time. The Vikings were famous for sailing huge distances from their home in Scandinavia between AD 800 and 1066 to raid and plunder, but they also traded with people from other countries. For a group that had such a profound influence on a fairly large portion of civilization, there is surprisingly little information about the Sea Peoples in the historical record. That's right, one of our most requested subjects, the Vikings, right here on Crash Course. Ancient Origins articles related to Sea Peoples in the sections of history, archaeology, human origins, unexplained, artifacts, ancient places and myths and legends. Their origins undocumented, the various Sea P… It looks at the evidence that points to a series of catastrophic events in the western Mediterranean during the Bronze Age which culminated in the final and utter collapse of the Myceneaen colonial power of the El Argar in Spain in about 1350 BC. The evidence for their exact origins is extremely sparse, but archaeologists specializing in this period have proposed the following: 06 10 89 07 15. firstname.lastname@example.org. Why wouldn't anyone say that? Every statement made by the conservatives is reason enough to leave the country. Man, you are really optimistic about this coming year. And some historians think, based on their interpretations of ancient texts, that the Philistines belonged to one of the many groups of Sea Peoples. In which John Green teaches you about Vikings! In fact a lot of archaeologists think most of what we know about Troy and the Trojan war is far-fetched, too, so until we get our facts straight it might be amusing to think the Sea Peoples brought down Troy — it's just more likely to be fiction than fact. Badhistory is your one-stop shop for casual dissertations on the historicity of everything from bestselling books to zero-budget adult films! Sea People, any of the groups of aggressive seafarers who invaded eastern Anatolia, Syria, Palestine, Cyprus, and Egypt toward the end of the Bronze Age, especially in the 13th century bce.They are held responsible for the destruction of old powers such as the Hittite empire. In the Baltic region, Northmen from Norway, Sweden and Denmark weren't the only people engaged in maritime warfare and raiding. Everything that goes wrong in Australia is the fault of the conservative party, whether they're in power or not. Either way, all of them are warriors and fighters for all of them are trained from childhood to wield weapons, and some Northmen who have earned their place in the battlefield even name their weapons. But those are all just theories. Queensland is run by the conservative party with an absolute majority, after r/australia's favourite party made itself so totally unpopular that it was almost unable to form an opposition with its remaining seats - I think that would have been unprecedented in the state. It's a circlejerk that's absolutely suffocating. Famous Vikings in History. Join the National Geographic Kids gang as we learn to live like a Scandinavian sea-warrior, in our ten fierce facts about the Vikings… Viking facts. No one was thinking in terms of all the poor historians from the 21st century who would spend whole careers tirelessly debating the origins of the people that your whole country is already painfully familiar with. Two million cut from the funding of a wildlife conservation program? And then the Sea Peoples had to show up and wreck it all. To have listened to the people in there, it deserved to win the election. Did you know that Swedish Vikings actually were the founders of Russia, as described in manuscripts from the 12 th century, found in Ukraine monasteries? For real information, you have to go three dimensional. Ramesses defeated them in 1180 BC but they came back, and he had to defeat them again in 1178 BC. b) I'm no expert, but no reputable historian seems to even be suggest that the sea people were (pre) Germanic. If anyone sets up a badhistory contest for the year, I think you've already won. And still, no one bothered to make note in the historical record about who they were and where they came from, which does give historians lots of things to disagree about but otherwise seems like a pretty major historical oversight. What irritates me is that the Labor party in QLD was never once the subject of criticism in that fucking sub. Urgh. So if the Vikings were the Sea People, but the Mycenaeans built Stonehenge, and the Israelites became the Anglo-Saxons...what, were they just giving out rail passes or something to cause all this migration? Jesus, that sounds a lot like r/canada. Viking Sea is het tweede zeecruiseschip voor Viking Ocean Cruises. But that's not all. The Vikings most often sailed along the coasts, but they were the only European seafarers at the time to dare travel so far that they lost sight of land. Other ancient sources note that the Sea Peoples came from the north, which basically rules out most of Africa and opens up all of Europe as a potential Sea Peoples homeland. The Viking story has fascinated people for centuries. "Sea Peoples" sort of sounds like the name for a band of Disney villains, or maybe something you would mail order from the back of a comic book in the 1960s. Okay, so why didn't someone, somewhere, write down the identities of these terrifying naval marauders? Once upon a time, the Mediterranean was a land of prosperity. Ramesses II's history suggests he pretty much trounced the Sea Peoples, annihilating them in a naval battle and then pressing some of the survivors into service as his bodyguards. The Vikings were Norse people who came from an area called Scandinavia. So who were these Sea Peoples – these Sherden, Shekelesh, Ekwesh, Lukka Teresh, Peleset, Tjekker, Denyen and Weshesh? I can see a potential analogy with the Vikings. Vacatures. 1200 BCE, writing was utilized in all of the Aegean to record inventories and transactions. Sorry to get your hopes up, but we don't know what happened to the Sea Peoples in the end because they vanished from the historical record just as mysteriously as they appeared. Durin… That's the kind of gradual change that isn't likely to make the history books because it would make for seriously boring reading (Bob assimilated with Karen, Bob and Karen beget Bethany, who assimilated with Justin ... Yeah let's just not read that textbook.). Let's say Canada decided to invade the United States. No, the Vikings and the Sea Peoples were not the same group. But did you know that there was also a World War Zero? There are no further accounts of them after that last conflict with Ramesses III in 1178 BC. We've got pictures and names of lots of Hollywood celebrities, too, but that doesn't mean we're any closer to understanding them. Or is that theory no longer accepted? Those, along with high speed internet, are the most important issues on the planet, apparently. Following the creation of the concept in the nineteenth century, it became one of the most famous chapters of Egyptian history, given its connection with, in the words of Wilhelm Max Müller: "the most important questions of ethnographyand the primitive history of classic nations". Now, the Sea Peoples were likely not the sole contributing factor to the collapse of the Bronze Age, but most historians agree that they played a role. The Viking Age in Scandinavian history is taken to have been the period from the earliest recorded raids by Norsemen in 793 until the Norman conquest of England in 1066. According to New Scientist, one of the key battles of World War Zero was the battle of Troy, which you may remember from such ancient texts as Homer's Iliad — unless of course you were seriously not paying attention in your high school literature class, too. The Sea Peoples weren't actually called "the Sea Peoples" in antiquity, so that's a relief. It's a disgrace. Okay so here's where the link gets a little tenuous — in theory, the 10 individuals in the study were early Philistines, since their presence in Ashkelon corresponds to the arrival of the Philistines around the beginning of the Iron Age. During this period of Scandinavian expansion, the Vikings came from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Boendr, from whom kings or chief were elected. Around 1200 BC, which was 74 years after the Sea Peoples and the Hittites banded together to take over the Egyptian trade center of Kadesh in the time of Ramesses II, the Sea Peoples decided that shared history really didn't mean much and that they should just annihilate the Hittites because why the heck not. Writing systems were abandoned, trade relations were abolished, and loads of people died. . Aliens! Either way, the ship design replicated by the Gurob model was not just something the Sea Peoples used to terrorize the ancient world — the design also heavily influenced many of the naval vessels that came after it, and in fact may have been one of history's most important ship designs. Viking, member of the Scandinavian seafaring warriors who raided and colonized wide areas of Europe from the 9th to the 11th century. No one knows for certain, but the Egyptians name them all as northerners, and often as islanders who are accomplished sea raiders and dangerous warriors. It was absurd how bad they were in the end. Or, at least, so I'm told. But every time I stick my head in there I don't see anything to disprove it. They were back again for the reign of Ramesses III, destroying the trade center of Kadesh and attempting yet another invasion of Egypt. The most famous description of the Sea Peoples and their origins reads like this: "They came from the sea in their warships and none could stand against them." To be fair, the Vikings' steel weapons would give them a pretty big edge over the bronze-age Egyptians . Freemen are either farmers, seafarers, or hunters. These are some of the world’s most difficult waters to sail upon, even withthe Viking Ships. At one point they even allied with the Libyans prior to invading Egypt, so it's not like they were super mysterious in their own time or anything. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Well, that's not what the Sea Peoples did. Why did ancient historians not bother to note what became of them? The Barbary Corsairs were just Vikings with sweet tans. Okay so as per the rules, this is bad history because: a) Even if the sea peoples were ancestors of the Vikings (i.e. It's not just the total lack of an origin story, it's also a near-absence of other details. Unless archaeologists one day uncover some hidden text that includes MapQuest directions to the Sea Peoples' homeland, we'll probably never be able to do much more than guess. Created by Michael Hirst. Made up of landowning chieftains and clan heads, their retainers, freemen, and others, these Scandinavians were independent farmers at home but raiders and pillagers at … Prior to the disappearance of the Mycenaean Greeks in the Late Bronze Age ca. In defense of the guy in the sub, it's a well known fact that in all of human history only the vikings (and their ancestors and descendants who are also vikings obviously) ever mastered the ability to use ships to raid and attack other cultures. In Ramesses II's time, the Egyptian account of the Sea Peoples says they were allies of the Hittites, who were driven from the Egyptian trade center of Kadesh by Ramesses' army in 1274 BC. In fact according to San Jose State University, the major source of Sea Peoples dirt comes from one place: a set of carved scenes on a stone wall at Ramesses III's mortuary temple of Medinet Habu on the west bank of the Nile. Okay so we know almost nothing about the Sea Peoples, but we do know this one weird thing. According to the Ancient History Encyclopedia, between 1250 BC and 1150 BC, cities all over the Mediterranean began to fall, and their civilizations fell with them. In AD865 an army of Vikings sailed across the North Sea. "From the genetics, we cannot determine whether these ancestors of the Philistines that migrated to Ashkelon were indeed part of the Sea Peoples or not," said study leader Michal Feldman. Maybe if someone dropped the "s" at the end of the name, because seriously, "Sea Peoples" is what a 2-year-old would say while trying to announce the presence of humans on a beach in San Diego. The Vikings traveled up along the rivers that lead to the Baltic Sea, pulled their ships on land and continued along the great Russian rivers, down to the Caspian Sea and Black Sea. Their civilization collapsed during the reign of Ramesses VI, less than 50 years after the last encounter between Egypt and the Sea Peoples. Contact. Also, every freemen sworn to their leader must answer the call when they are called to battle, either for war or raids. Vikings and the other free people of the community gather at The Thing with their leader present. In the records of that war, five Sea Peoples are named: the Shardana, Teresh, Lukka, Shekelesh and Ekwesh, and are collectively referred to as "northerners coming from all lands". Since much of Scandinavia consists of inland mountain ranges, and since there is easy access to the sea in most areas, the Vikings did most of their travel and trade by boat. Everyone who has a passing interest in Bronze Age history has a theory about who the Sea Peoples were, but up until recently none of those theories had a lot of substance to back them up. This time the Sea Peoples teamed up with the Libyans and invaded the Nile Delta. SEE People heeft een professionele backoffice met de benodigde certificaten en systemen; Ik zoek personeel. To put things in perspective, the party actually lost 44 of its 51 seats. If you could believe everything you saw chiseled into a wall, then you would know that lots of Egyptians had animal heads and falcons wore hats. Well the Philistines were a sub group of the Sea People, so yep, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 2. In their own time, the Sea Peoples were called other things — according to The Ancient History Encyclopedia, various sources refer to them as the Sherden, the Tursha, the Lukka, the Sheklesh, or the Akawasha, none of which are especially helpful. some pre-Proto Germanic speaking people), calling them Vikings, a term used specifically for a Norse culture existing 2000 years later is ridiculous. Weren't the Sea Peoples the Philistines? So here's the truth about the Sea Peoples, those dudes with the stupid name who you probably never heard of until exactly this moment. That Ramesses seemed confident that the Sea Peoples were over, but Merneptah found out the hard way how wrong his dad had been. The Sea Peoples weren't actually called "the Sea Peoples" in antiquity, so that's a relief. The attacks may not have been solely responsible for the fall of the Mycenaeans — there were also some other crappy things happening in the region at that time, including volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, earthquakes, political unrest, overpopulation, and climate change, so it's almost like the universe kind of didn't like the Mycenaeans anyway. Likewise, ancient historians also didn't feel like they needed to make note of their enemies' hereditary identity. It was important for the Vikings that they understood the weatherthat each season brought as they could then plan their voyages whether long or short They didn’t have any of today’s modern navi… So that's fascinating but even more fascinating is the fact that we can't trace the origin story of an entire race of conquerors, but we can trace the origin story of a bunch of dead pigs. Nice going. The Viking Age. Next thing I know you'll be telling me that the Caribbean pirates weren't Vikings. Pseudo-Intellectual Hack | Brigader General, seems to even be suggest that the sea people were (pre) Germanic. They may have had the intention to move in and take over but in most cases that's not what happened. There's an article high in there at the moment that reads: Australian state of Queensland adopts populist, hard-line laws 'reminiscent of Soviet Russia and Hitler’s Germany'. Many associate Vikings with brutal robbers and people were terrified when they spotted a Viking ship approaching. I'm vague on the history of that period, but I didn't think that the Hittites and the Egyptians ever really fought further south than the Levant. They might even have invaded out of necessity — perhaps natural disasters had displaced them from their homelands, which is why they were out marauding and being badasses in the first place. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. 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